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and I said that there were others with me and he said that they could come also. But then there was a discussion as to whether the others could come. I also asked, ‘What had he done?’ Reggie just said that he was ‘a fucking cunt’ and then they just argued amongst themselves and I was standing in the doorway.
Finally they said that there was a party going on round at Carol’s and Hart, I think said, ‘Bring him around. We’ll have a talk with him.’
I went downstairs and invited the Mills brothers and McVitie to the party. This was not unusual, as normally when they had a party they would invite everyone around.
We went to Carol Skinner’s in McVitie’s car and when we arrived I was the first one to go down the stairs. There was music playing. McVitie followed me. It was about 12.30 or so. I saw Whitehead and Bender coming out of the back. I was first into the room and Ronnie Kray was standing in front of the fireplace with his thumbs in the waistband of his trousers. Two youths were dancing. Ronnie shook hands with me and almost immediately Reggie jumped on McVitie’s back and put a gun at his head. It would not work. Ronnie hit him with a glass and cut his lip. McVitie protested. I cannot remember the words.
The Mills brothers were by this time in the room, and Hart and Bender. I was terrified and I left the room. On the stairs my brother Chris was sitting weeping. We had an argument about it because we realised then what was happening. Chris started to go. Hart came out and I quietened Chris because of him then Ronnie Kray said, ‘What’s the matter with him?’, meaning Chris, and I said he was upset. The Mills brothers wanted to go but no one was allowed to leave.
McVitie had come to the door of the room. He had his jacket off. Reggie hit him and pulled him back into the room. I was just outside; the door was ajar. Reggie had a knife at McVitie’s throat. Hart was holding McVitie, the knife would not penetrate. I was terrified. I ran again up the stairs, as I did so I met two children on the stairs and I pushed them into the bedroom.
I stayed there what seemed like a long while but was probably only a moment or so. I came out of the room and started going down again. They were all going out. Bender was talking to Reggie who said ‘get rid of him’.
I remember both Ronnie and Reggie’s arms were covered in blood. The Krays and Hart left. Bender persuaded me to go into the room. McVitie was lying under the window with his legs underneath him and with half his stomach hanging out. His head was almost severed and his eyes were open.
Bender said: ‘It’s all over, it’s done.’ I could not believe it.
Later, my brother Chris returned. He has described how he cleaned up and disposed of the body and it’s true. I never knew that this was going to happen to McVitie. I know we should have come to his assistance but I was terrified that without a weapon the same would be meted out to us too.
I have never belonged to the Kray firm. I met them at the same time as my brother Christopher and only really started to see much of them about eight weeks prior to the murder of McVitie. This was primarily because I was also a member of the Regency Club and also drank in the same public house. I personally was never asked to do anything by them but I knew only too well their reputation.
As regards the solicitors the same occurred to me as to my brother. We knew that false statements had been made to Sampsons [the Krays’ lawyers], by witnesses and it was more than our lives were worth to try and change solicitors. I told Ralph Hyams [the Krays’ solicitor] what had happened and he told me that the Krays would have to be told if I persisted. And so eventually I signed a statement for Sampsons that was quite untrue.
I was in Brixton on remand with the Krays and when they found out that my brother had made a statement to Sampson’s that involved them, they constantly threatened me and my family. I was present at the
Finally they said that there was a party going on round at Carol’s and Hart, I think said, ‘Bring him around. We’ll have a talk with him.’
I went downstairs and invited the Mills brothers and McVitie to the party. This was not unusual, as normally when they had a party they would invite everyone around.
We went to Carol Skinner’s in McVitie’s car and when we arrived I was the first one to go down the stairs. There was music playing. McVitie followed me. It was about 12.30 or so. I saw Whitehead and Bender coming out of the back. I was first into the room and Ronnie Kray was standing in front of the fireplace with his thumbs in the waistband of his trousers. Two youths were dancing. Ronnie shook hands with me and almost immediately Reggie jumped on McVitie’s back and put a gun at his head. It would not work. Ronnie hit him with a glass and cut his lip. McVitie protested. I cannot remember the words.
The Mills brothers were by this time in the room, and Hart and Bender. I was terrified and I left the room. On the stairs my brother Chris was sitting weeping. We had an argument about it because we realised then what was happening. Chris started to go. Hart came out and I quietened Chris because of him then Ronnie Kray said, ‘What’s the matter with him?’, meaning Chris, and I said he was upset. The Mills brothers wanted to go but no one was allowed to leave.
McVitie had come to the door of the room. He had his jacket off. Reggie hit him and pulled him back into the room. I was just outside; the door was ajar. Reggie had a knife at McVitie’s throat. Hart was holding McVitie, the knife would not penetrate. I was terrified. I ran again up the stairs, as I did so I met two children on the stairs and I pushed them into the bedroom.
I stayed there what seemed like a long while but was probably only a moment or so. I came out of the room and started going down again. They were all going out. Bender was talking to Reggie who said ‘get rid of him’.
I remember both Ronnie and Reggie’s arms were covered in blood. The Krays and Hart left. Bender persuaded me to go into the room. McVitie was lying under the window with his legs underneath him and with half his stomach hanging out. His head was almost severed and his eyes were open.
Bender said: ‘It’s all over, it’s done.’ I could not believe it.
Later, my brother Chris returned. He has described how he cleaned up and disposed of the body and it’s true. I never knew that this was going to happen to McVitie. I know we should have come to his assistance but I was terrified that without a weapon the same would be meted out to us too.
I have never belonged to the Kray firm. I met them at the same time as my brother Christopher and only really started to see much of them about eight weeks prior to the murder of McVitie. This was primarily because I was also a member of the Regency Club and also drank in the same public house. I personally was never asked to do anything by them but I knew only too well their reputation.
As regards the solicitors the same occurred to me as to my brother. We knew that false statements had been made to Sampsons [the Krays’ lawyers], by witnesses and it was more than our lives were worth to try and change solicitors. I told Ralph Hyams [the Krays’ solicitor] what had happened and he told me that the Krays would have to be told if I persisted. And so eventually I signed a statement for Sampsons that was quite untrue.
I was in Brixton on remand with the Krays and when they found out that my brother had made a statement to Sampson’s that involved them, they constantly threatened me and my family. I was present at the
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